Disability AUs
Wed, Dec. 26th, 2012 05:48 pmIs there an existing dialogue around the Disability AU (a story where a canonically abled character is written with a noncanonical disability)? Or do people simply have their private feelings, or public fanfics, without discussing why they feel and write the way they do?
I'd be interested in knowing what people think.
I'd be interested in knowing what people think.
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Date: 2012-12-27 03:21 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2012-12-27 03:38 am (UTC)Thank you. :)
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Date: 2012-12-27 04:29 am (UTC)That being said, the disability AU can be done well and in an anti-ableist fashion, but when I've done it, I've always had to keep a disability rights perspective at the fore of my mind while writing. Because it's a genre where one can easily fall into ableist stereotypes.
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Date: 2012-12-27 04:44 am (UTC)If you want this post to become a place where we have a fresh version of that discussion -- and perhaps link it from fanlore? -- I'm game. *g*
(FWIW, my feelings are that it can be done well, but I feel that writing disability AU while ignoring canon disability is a massive can of worms; disability-as-metaphor is profoundly troubling; and h/c with disability -- which is a frequent trope in Disability AU -- nearly always offends me deeply as a PWD. And I can get into more detail on those if anyone is interesting in me and my two pennies over here.)
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Date: 2012-12-27 05:36 am (UTC)Additionally, my current fandom doesn't have any disability AUs. (Unless you count the fic where all of the main characters spend a day as persons of short stature.) It does, however, feature canonically disabled characters in virtually every fic. In fact, of the twenty fics on the current front page on fanfiction.net, at least seventeen include at least one canonically disabled character. (The fact that the main character and his sidekick both have canonical disabilities is no doubt partly responsible for this. The four disabled villains probably don't hurt, either.) Interestingly, two of the fics that don't feature canon disabilities are Ability AUs: the canonically disabled character is featured sans disability. If I were to count those, we would be up to at least 95% of fics featuring canonically disabled characters.
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Date: 2012-12-27 05:54 am (UTC)I would love it if this post became such a place.
Yes, I find disability as metaphor Bad because it erases disability as the experiences of disabled people. Disability should be disability because disability is real, and when it's treated as a metaphor, I get the feeling the author thinks disability is a thing xe came up with for xyr story, and that it doesn't have its own reality. It's okay for things to be metaphors for other things, but it's typically either fictional things as metaphors for real things or trivial things as metaphors for important things, so using disability as a metaphor does not sit well with me.
With regard to h/c, I've only seen one hurt/comfort Disability AU, which did seem problematic. I don't read much h/c, so I don't know what the problem is with it. I gather that most h/c is problematic, but without reading it, I can't see why it would be, or why using disability in it would be problematic. I appreciate comfort when I encounter ableism. I'm also concerned about the topic, because one of the unposted stories on my computer right now (which I'm not posting yet because I'd rather make it into a series) is probably hurt/comfort. At least, it has a character who's hurt, and a character who helps make things better. So I want to understand whether there's something I might be doing wrong.
I'm very interested in your two cents. I think I might also have more to say, but I'll hold off for a while and think some more.
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Date: 2012-12-27 06:01 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2012-12-27 06:42 am (UTC)Do you find the same problem in original fiction featuring disability?
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Date: 2012-12-27 09:16 am (UTC)That's not to say that non-disabled people can't write them, I just suspect it takes more conscious thought.
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Date: 2012-12-27 09:33 am (UTC)And where I came to is that I think Syn wrote amazingly realistic chronic pain and frustration and coping partly because she's experienced them, but there is nothing about the experience of those things that makes a person better able to write disability without going to the h/c place.
The two variants of that 'verse -- Cammie/Cam, hereafter collective referred to as "Cam" -- have a character with physical pain; sometimes, during some events, the character's pain and lack of function become central and need to be managed; sometimes other characters comfort the character in pain through a variety of (often profane) coping mechanisms. Yet at no point are the stories about Cam's pain and disability, let alone about other characters showing how awesome they are by being good at caring for him. They're about Cam (and JD, and Daniel, and family, depending where you are in the 'verse), and their relationships, and the various plotty things that happen in the worlds, and disability and pain are just craptastic facts of life in those worlds, not the axis around which everything else revolves.
So yes, I think Syn wrote the chronic pain and lack of function well partly because of lived experience, but it doesn't take lived experience to avoid the minefield of having the story be all about how a couple forms around one character's limitation and the other's caring.
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Date: 2012-12-27 09:45 am (UTC)"and disability and pain are just craptastic facts of life in those worlds"
And... hmm, I'm trying not to go too much into rambling self-analysis here but something that's come up lately is that as a disabled person, admitting pain/weakness can be (seen as) a license for other people to take over your life and overrule you, so I know a hell of a lot of people who are hiding pain/problems for that reason - and thus aren't getting any comforting even when they might want it. And that's before we get to gendered presentation of "admitting weakness" (Since I'm talking as a guy and most of the characters under discussion tend to be male.)
So I think there is room for h/c stories involving disabled people, but the risk with disability AUs is people making characters disabled because that's the only way they can imagine to bring them low.
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Date: 2012-12-27 11:49 am (UTC)First off, of course, I am not in favour of stories which wallow in ableism for no reason but the bigotry of the author.
I've seen some good and thoughtful disability AUs, but I do wish they weren't so much more popular than writing about canonically disabled characters. Even the good ones count as much towards "diverse representation" as genderswapping male characters does towards representation of women (which is to say, very little)
As for h/c and the like: the way I see it is that fiction exaggerates reality, especially idfic-y fanfic. A lot of "disability" in fanfic is really just a larger than life exaggeration of the universal experience of minor injury or illness. And I think that's something able-bodied/neurotypical people should be allowed to explore.
THAT SAID: even if they don't MEAN to say anything about real disability, the connection is there, and writers should keep it in mind. I think writers of fanfic about disabled characters should always keep disabled readers in mind, as well as how the subtext of their story ties into the wider ableist culture. Either they should try to write a thoughtful (but not necessarily realistic, depending on canon/genre) depiction, or they should add a disclaimer warning readers that they haven't.
And not just writers: I wish reviewers would bear this sort of thing in mind too. I saw several different people unselfconsciously rec a fic which depicted my sort of (incurable) illness as an UNBEARABLE BURDEN which had to be ~magically cured~ for there to be a happy ending, and since I had no warning was really seriously upset by this "feel good" story.
EDIT, after thinking and looking at comments above: Overall, I just want disabled people to be written as people, with 3 dimensional lives. When canon characters become disabled they often become THE DISABLED CHARACTER and every single scene involving them (until they get magically cured) revolves around THE DISABILITY.
And in the other direction, I wish writers and reviewers etc would remember that "people" (eg their readers) includes disabled people.
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Date: 2012-12-27 01:22 pm (UTC)In fairness - non-disabled characters disable canonically disabled character by... how many times? (I'm not actually being sarcastic - I'm a step removed from most popular fandoms so I genuinely don't know.)
I can think of very few disabled characters in things I've watched recently. Off the top of my head there's one - a deaf little girl. So that means I can't write a male character, an adult character, or a character of colour with a disability unless I AU someone.
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Date: 2012-12-27 01:24 pm (UTC)And, in the particular case of endometriosis? Affects up to 15% of people with ovaries of ~childbearing-age~, but it's invisible and incredibly difficult to get the medical profession to take seriously (average diagnostic delay in the UK is 8 years from first report of symptoms). And so Mai not being canonically disabled - well, that's something else I identify with.
Personally I... don't so much get into writing about hurt/comfort-type dynamics - they're never something I write, so there's no reason for me to write them in the context of disability - but I'm Very Aware of some of the discussion in this area. Have you e.g. read the essay Do I Do It For You? -- it's about negotiating real-life service relationships (at the intersection of kink & disability) but is awesome. I can dig out a link if you like.
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Date: 2012-12-27 05:14 pm (UTC)Re: writing canonical disabled characters instead of disability AUs, I don't think I have such strong feelings on the matter. I get where this is coming from, that e.g. genderswapping male characters isn't the same as writing canonical female characters. However, to me this analogy doesn't hold up: there are much fewer canonically disabled characters than female characters, so whereas most canons at least have a few women to choose from there are many canons without even one disabled character - and often if they do the portrayal is really problematic in some way and maybe we don't want to have to deal with that? Also, maybe we don't want to write about any disability but a specific one, and then the options narrow much, much further. I think in order to find a canonical character who stutters to write about who isn't faily and stereotyped and frustrating to experience I'd have to write King's Speech fanfic, you know? Plus - again quite relevant for disability - sometimes even when you do have some canonical examples of a character with a given disability that aren't too faily, they still all fall into some stereotype - e.g., being a white guy, or having a particular presentation of that disability - and you'd like to write it from a different perspective.
Also, I do really enjoy a well-done genderswap, because often they take on questions like "what would have gone differently if Character X were female?" and can be really excellent at highlighting sexism. I think a disability AU along these lines would be really cool? But I'm not sure I've ever seen one.
There's also a type of fic that arguably falls under the "disability AU" umbrella I've run into with stuttering: the one where they give a character a noncanonical disability, apparently without realising, because the character has traits that appear in the stereotype of that disability. What I mean here is the way many fanfics will present shy characters as stuttering, even if they don't in canon (Hinata from Naruto is an example here, I think), and the way I keep seeing Peter Pettigrew being written with a stutter he never showed in the books apparently because, you know, cowardly whinging traitor apparently => person who stutters. It probably won't surprise anyone to hear that I really really hate these! Has anyone run across anything like this with another disability?
About the h/c dynamics, I remember this really blowing up around two and a half years ago, when h/c bingo published bingo cards that listed things like "blindness" or "chronic illness" on the same card as "zombie apocalypse" and "wingfic". There was a lot of meta about h/c and disability back then: here's a post by sasha-feather and one by damned-colonial on the topic, also the metafandom delicious has quite a few links. I think this is where a lot of the worry here is coming from, plus the propensity for disability and h/c to treat the disability as inherently hurtful and tragic and also for healing cock/unrealistic cures.
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Date: 2012-12-27 05:23 pm (UTC)Really, this is something that occurred to me after leaving my comment: that in some cases the AU is less "character has a noncanonical disability, what's different?" but "look, it is totally possible to read the canon as this character having this disability." Like, I've toyed with the idea of writing some character as a covert stutterer, which is something you wouldn't expect to see any evidence for except an oddity in word choice and possibly avoidance of specific speaking situations (ordering on the phone, maybe, or public speaking). Around 1% of the population stutters, and to me it seems a significant chunk of that is very, very good at hiding it.
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Date: 2012-12-27 06:56 pm (UTC)*goes to sign up*
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Date: 2012-12-27 07:20 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2012-12-27 09:16 pm (UTC)But now that I think about it, that's very atypical. I can't think of very many disabled characters in other fandoms. Burn Notice, IIRC, has none (unless I missed someone's Issues turning out to be diagnosable). Harry Potter probably has very few real-world disabilities (there's Moody, and if I squint, I can see Neville as being on the autism spectrum), and one fantastic disability (Lupin). Sly Cooper has one character with a disability that straddles the line between explicit and implied (and he became a villain because of it, so...). Avatar: The Last Airbender has three disabled characters (Toph, Teo and a spoiler for the finale) in its cast of almost fifty named characters and at least that many extras, which means that while it's better than average, it still portrays far fewer disabled characters than should exist. House is the only disabled main character on House (though plenty of patients of the week are disabled). I know there exists a police procedural with a short person, but I've never seen it and can't think of any that have disabled good guys (but plenty with disabled bad guys or victims or both).
In other words, I suppose different canons give writers different options.
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Date: 2012-12-27 09:28 pm (UTC)Disability as The Way To Bring Them Low is as bad as disability as metaphor. :( If I were to write a disability AU in my fandom, using it that way would very likely result in the end of the world, which is... not conducive to lots of comfort.
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Date: 2012-12-27 09:32 pm (UTC)The fandom rarely confronts disabilities per se, though they're almost impossible to avoid.
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Date: 2012-12-27 09:37 pm (UTC)It sounds like the problem with Disability AUs is mainly that they tend to have the same kinds of very basic fail as most other depictions of disability. Does that sound right?
Of course, portraying most disabilities as needing to be cured for a happy ending is usually faily for several reasons.
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Date: 2012-12-27 09:49 pm (UTC)Then there are places where canon could be seen as completely consistent with a disability, where the characters do things that tip you off to its existence, while not doing anything that proves conclusively that they're disabled, such as with Mai.
Then there are times when there's no indication either way, so that the disability or its absence would be equally canonical. For instance, I've always thought that the Twilight Princess version of Link has a stutter, but his dialogue is never portrayed at all even though characters respond to it in ways that prove that he does talk, so whether he stutters or not is anyone's guess.
And finally, there are times when the disability is directly contradicted by canon. (For instance, if a character is canonically seen walking unaided, and in fic is portrayed with complete quadriplegia at the same point in the timeline, then it's an AU.)
Of course, there's also the possibility of giving a disability to a character after canon (say, if Link goes blind at some point after defeating Ganondorf); do you think those are more similar to Disability AUs or to portrayals of canon disability?
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Date: 2012-12-27 09:50 pm (UTC)I go through phases of trying to find stuff with disabled characters but the majority are Disability Stories and most of the time I'd rather not see anyone like me on screen than see the object of pity.
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Date: 2012-12-27 09:50 pm (UTC)